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05-28-2007, 9:11 PM NickOtani Joined on 04-21-2006 Posts 323 Inconsistencies in the Bible There are two versions of creation in Genesis, Genesis II: 18, 19, and Genesis I: 25, 26, and 27. Man was created before the animals; man was created after the animals. In Matthew XIX: 26, God is all powerful. However, in Judges I: 19, he could not drive out the inhabitants of the plain, because they had chariots of iron. In 1 Corinthians XIV: 33, God is the author of peace, but in Exodus XV: 3, The Lord is a man of war. In Exodus XX: 13, "Thou shalt not kill." However, in Exodus XXXII: 27, The Lord commands 'Put every man his sword by his side and go to and fro from gate to gate throughout the camp, and slay every man his brother, and every man his companion, and every man his neighbor.' In Exodus XX: 14, adultry is forbidden, but in Hosea III: 1 The Lord tells Hosea to go again, love a woman who is beloved of a paramour and is an adulteress... In Matthew V: 32, divorce is restricted, but in Deuteronomy XXIV: 1, divorce is permitted. In Proverbs XX: 1, intoxicating beverages are disapproved, but in Proverbs XXXI: 6, 7, and Judges IX: 13, intoxicating beverages are recommended. In Proverbs XII: 21, the godly shall not suffer, but in 2 Timothy III: 12, the godly will suffer. In Luke VI: 20, 24, poverty is a blessing, but in Proverbs X: 15, riches are a blessing. In Luke I: 76, 79, Christ came to bring peace, but in Matthew X: 34, Christ came to bring a sword. Most of the following is what I condensed from a book by Bishop John Shelby Spong: Abraham, if he lived at all, is supposed to have lived around 1800B.C.E. The earliest written record of him was written in 920 B.C.E., some 900 years later. This means that stories about Abraham must have been passed down verbally through 25 generations. Don't you think some of the stories might have been embellished a little? Part of Exodus was written by historians in David's court. They're the ones who referred to God as Yahweh. It was their idea that God spoke to the people ultimately only through Moses. The Elohist writers, those who rebelled against the house of David, believed God made a covenant with the people who chose Moses and Aaron to represent them before God. Both accounts are woven together but do not quite fit. The Yahwist version of the Ten Commandments is in Exodus 34, and the Elohist version is in Exodus 20. Can the two be reconciled? (I'm also aware of still another version in Deuteronomy.) There are also two different accounts of the death of King David, one in 1 Kings 1 and one in 1 Chronicles 28-29. In 1 Kings 1, there was a beauty contest to find a maid to care for David and lie on his bosom, keeping him warm. They found Ab'ishag the Shu'nammite. There is no mention of his addressing the assembly. However, in 1 Chronicles 28-29, there is no mention of Ab'ishag nor his private words to Solomon. He is just addressing the assembly. Which one is right? In the New Testament, among the four gospels, Mark seems to be the first one written and written as a whole. Matthew and Luke both used Mark but in different ways, some 25 years later. Mark indicated that God entered Jesus at baptism, but Matthew and Luke suggest the God and Jesus identification at the moment of conception. Paul put it at the resurrection, and John put it at the beginning of time. Which one has it right? Mark wrote very little about the resurrection, only that the women heard about a Galilean rendezvous from a young man and then they fled in fear. Matthew added details that were incredible. Luke changed the young man into two supernatural angels but denied the Galilean tradition. He separated the resurrection and ascension by forty days. Mark and Matthew implied that it was a single action. John also had it as a single action and added details about invitations to touch the wounds and had Jesus joining his disciples to eat fish by the Sea of Galilee . Who was right?    Report

05-28-2007, 11:57 PM DonQuixote99 Joined on 04-28-2007 sw Ohio Posts 75 Re: Inconsistencies in the Bible Any level of textual analysis indicates a long history of multiple authors and editors adding to, taking from, and changing the Bible.  But only quite liberal religious groups have backed off the claim of verbal inspiration--that every word comes from God and is true.    Report

07-05-2007, 7:03 PM David George DeLancey Joined on 07-06-2007 Posts 48 Re: Inconsistencies in the Bible Inconsistencies, an interesting word also are God and the Bible two remote vocations from time of Art Economics History {'a rightious togetherness'} then we die, {'expressing country over nation over many in countries satisfaction}', {Heaven is satisfied towards our realization yesterday} ,Giveing our Desire, Beauty is bountyfull leaveing exspression,/ During a point in time hath not a servivle of conduct exsist then through time hath passed on more and more thow hast the knowledge of the word tepmple and how old is this word , thus knows of thy invention and carried on through generation through generation till many have the wiltering ground many atare with so many atare cemetary tary maens with reason ceme means a portion of as of so many now hsat called it a name perhaps though strongly a name be givin before such a notice of seperation though perhaps through time and or with respect, who hast that knowledge who hiost or host the or that knowledge called my ancester what you may i may refer to it as God. the bible a book in where things hath passed and may accure meaning bible. David George DeLancey 7:01 P.M. E.S.T.  Cape Cod Community College Hyannis Massachussetts    Report

07-11-2007, 1:27 AM youngmastermatt Joined on 06-15-2007 Idaho Posts 14 Re: Inconsistencies in the Bible Ok there Dave, Clearly, you have things to say and contribute. Still, I have to point out that punctuation, grammer, and spelling exist in the English language for a reason. No, I'm not perfect at it myself, but still give it the old college try. -Matt      Report

09-17-2007, 4:10 PM David George DeLancey Joined on 07-06-2007 Posts 48 Re: Inconsistencies in the Bible Realy sorry about that i was kind of in a hurry in fact i'm cruisin rite now oops did i spell rite correctly anyhow sometimes i just put it out there, how's that a comma i mean punctuation , well for inconsistancies i do have what it takes,still for sure this is an interesting task concerning the bible i sort of wish someone could be more punctual there's just so many things in the bible,though i supose for me as i represent the book as a simple task in some ways things just can't be to complicated. An inconsistency would be jumping from one gathering to another perhaps,or while reading i could be for instence realy not sure and would have to carfully define the matter with somekind of realization. What i beleive,and that word would have to be described in order to have theoredical attention. Beleive{Bringing exprerience Leaves experience in vertue expressed} next solveing is the term [Vertue] vertue could be ,a gathering of understanding and other things combined though there may only be a few at that, The vertue of the matter before this discription was what i may have beleife in. As For god to me god is dead or should i say respectfully God is what has passed though by keeping it in such a Lenguish i know that does'nt sound right something in the sence of Language perhaps or exsistance, i have to keep a hold of my thoughts as if i was back long ago yuo know so i can get 'some' kind of perspective wich also relates to a beliefe perspective,it's the Law,God the word does exsist when who is for sure on that but it's been determined that it did arive sometime or another for me King David's ancesters for sure used it for myself for now anything before 1010b.c. is a mummble and that figuration for sure is way past that for singular and different Languages did exsist. Lets get back to my agreement on the word and or terming God,is of knowledge i have to agree perhaps why the word is so important what follws after that is either commen sence and experience from what exisist's and that for sure is the times of the living and preperation of such Liderature. May even been a likeing to a population so huge that discriptions was an only determination , such as Law if there is a law then a populate would then just use it naturaly, and to travel would then be a simple production of that, then so what is left , perhaps knowledge of it "IT" is who they are , and to correspondence, for instence what is a Killian or the killians could this be a modern type of gathering people associated with others KILL K-EEP I-T L-OOKING L-OVELY I,N A,SOCIATED N,EEDS SOMEWHERE Ok that was probably to much again though i wonder how performably people lived back when Inteligents, sorry about that spelling? well maybe all that somewhat help't, till next i perhaps will be more simple to the task. 4:09 p.m. centerville Library.    Report

09-03-2008, 2:00 AM David George DeLancey Joined on 07-06-2007 Posts 48 Re: Inconsistencies in the Bible I would love to own a realy old type of Bible    Report

12-12-2008, 10:42 AM dehavenz Joined on 12-12-2008 Virginia Posts 1 Re: Inconsistencies in the Bible You seem very curious about the Bible and have a good bit of knowledge as well.  I'm not sure if you are a Christian or perhaps just a curious agnostic.  I am a strongly committed Southern Baptist Christian.  In some ways, I feel that I would be ridiculed for that faith on a site such as this.  However, I also have a strong faith that free markets and limited government (capitalism) is the best form of government and we are moving away from that.  At the core, objectivism, I think, has a focus on self-esteem and the freedom to find your own happiness and purpose.  A key part of my peace and happiness is my faith in Jesus and my service to others.  I don't serve others to belittle myself, but, in many ways to raise myself up.  I don't think the Federal government should be forcing people to serve others.  The government should allow people the motivation to make as much money as they can.  What people do with it is their choice.  If they find happiness, purpose and fulfillment by giving it away, then all the better. As to your questions, many Southern Baptists do believe in the inerrancy of the Bible.  I cannot deny contradictions and thus do not hold that view.  If God wanted to give us a perfect book, he could have dropped one down to us.  The Bible is not perfect, but it contains many great truths and does have a recording of life, death, and resurrection of Jesus.  It is a great tool in a Christian's life, but it does not replace prayer and independent study. To your questions, first they are valid and I am not an academic expert on the Bible, so you may find my response not completely adequate.  My understanding (belief) is that Jesus was there since the beginning (John), that he came to earth as part human part diety at conception (Matthew, Luke) and that the Holy Spirit entered him at the time of Baptism (Mark) and Jesus ascended to Heaven 3 days after his crucifixion (Paul).  After His ascension, he came to earth as proof of His resurrection and many people saw Him. I could go into more details, but if you are looking for logic behind the belief in Jesus I would suggest reading "The Case for Christ".  It was written by Lee Strobel who was an aethist until his research into the facts compelled him to belief in Jesus.  One of the things he discusses is the length of time from the death of Jesus to the first writings.  By historical standards, the first writings that we have were very near to the time of Jesus.  For instance, the first recorded writings we have about Alexander the Great were hundreds of years later.  I could go on and on, but I'll leave it at that for now.    Report

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